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Learning to Dad with Tyler Ross 027 - Troy Casey

Speaker 2: All right, we're [00:00:30] rolling. Welcome to learning to dad. My name is Tyler Ross, and I am pumped that our guest today is Troy Casey certified health. Not what's up, man.

Speaker 3: Hey man. I'm so happy to be here, Tyler.

Speaker 2: Yeah, super grateful for your time. I've enjoyed your YouTube channel, your Instagram. I just friended you on Facebook. So I'll look for an accept. And, uh, I mean, here, here's a rundown quickly of the things I know about you, but we'll talk so much more. So you're the certified health nut. You are a co-founder of man tried. You're in comedy. [00:01:00] You've done tons of work in Amazon rainforest with, with herbs and other things. At one time you were a Versace model. And to this day you remain the handsome fit trim, man. You're a trainer or certified through the check-in Institute, which I'm learning about checks so much and he's been great. And I know you've got my vote for your campaign as president for the planet in 2020. Yeah, baby.

Speaker 3: Yeah. President of planet earth.

Speaker 2: [00:01:30] I love it. I love it. So let's, let's talk a little bit about your professional journey. I believe the first, the earliest thing that I know about your professional biography is being a Versace model being in Milan. Can you tell me how you got into that and kind of the evolution to leaving that?

Speaker 3: Yeah, so I, you know, I was in school, I was, I was in college kind of on the fast track to go and nowhere just, just try [00:02:00] and do my thing. You know, uh, I realized, you know, I didn't know who I was back then. Right. You know, there I am an 18, 19 year old kid, you know, I'm smart, I'm intelligent. I'm going to community college. And I didn't have a bunch of calculus behind me. So, you know, you have to go through all those math prerequisites. And I didn't realize this cause I didn't do any college prep or any of that stuff. I was actually in juvenile hall, my last year of high school or the first semester of my last year of high school. And so, uh, [00:02:30] so I didn't do any college prep. So I got in there and I was like, oh, I need all this math.

Speaker 3: Well know what the reasoning behind that was science and math jobs got made more money. So I instantly was like in college, I'm like, okay, well where's the money. I was like, I was like, you know, you know, how do I make money? That was, that was my mentality. I mean, they don't even, they don't teach you anything in school. That's the crazy thing I came out of there going, I basically didn't [00:03:00] know anything about myself or where I was going. Actually the, the, the, the, the last six months of my 18th, uh, my 17 a year I spent in juvenile hall. And I think I learned the most about myself. I ever did, did just being with myself and being incarcerated. And so I came out, I went back to high school and, you know, high school, again, it was, I finished high school, but there wasn't any substance.

Speaker 3: And maybe I wasn't in the right programs, [00:03:30] you know, I don't know, but there wasn't that much substance. They didn't teach about me. They didn't teach about spirituality. They didn't teach about nature. They didn't teach about things that were fundamentally going to affect you. They didn't teach me how to make money. It was basically training to get a job or a good job in some kind of industry. And so, uh, so then I went through the college situation and, uh, so I had to do all this math prerequisites. And I had basically, I don't even think I had full algebra. So I had [00:04:00] to go back to square one. I had to go to algebra one, algebra two in each one of these, or a semester all the way up to calculus and derivatives. And I think that was like five or six semesters. So what is that?

Speaker 3: That's three years, right? Uh, you know, so I, I, I filled all my other prerequisite, but I had three years of math prerequisites just to get into a four-year university and start studying the sciences. So, you know, who knows which, where that road would have taken me, but the fact of the matter [00:04:30] is quite a few people said, Hey, you should be a model, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. People walked up to me in public places and said that, and I didn't really know how to go about that. But I asked a few questions here and there I was in New York one summer. I started taking pictures, went into Wilhelmina and, uh, they hooked me up with some agencies in LA and, uh, one thing led to the next and, uh, next thing, you know, I quit college and without even a hesitation, and there's quite an illusion [00:05:00] with the modeling industry as well. I really thought there was going to be a ton of money available there. Now there was definitely good money and good experience and good opportunity, but the industry, wasn't what I thought exactly it was going to be. And so, but I quit college without even a hesitation. There were so w where was that?

Speaker 2: It's geographically. And, uh, and of course, I got to ask you what

Speaker 3: You ended up in juvie. So I was, then I was living in Marine county and, uh, my [00:05:30] parents, my parents got in trouble with the law. And I, uh, they sent me out with some of their friends from the Haight Ashbury, uh, their old San Francisco friends. Uh, it was living on the east coast at the time. And, uh, and so, uh, I was living in Marin county, you know, put myself through high school, et cetera. And, uh, I was dealing a little bit of LSD on the side and, uh, my girlfriend's father didn't like me very much. And, uh, you know, one of the cousins said something to somebody and next thing you [00:06:00] know, he had the detectives looking out for me and they just, they caught up to me. And, uh, luckily I was, I was before I was 18, you know, I got into that type of situation, you know, years later, we're finding out that the CIA realized that LSD was curing alcoholism and Paul Stamets is realizing we could probably cure PTSD with siliciden.

Speaker 3: Psilocybins now being decriminalized in Oakland and Denver. And, you know, the thing that [00:06:30] the real medicines of the world are, are now being exposed, not CBD is legal, hemp, marijuana is legal, and most of the states now even recreationally. And so it's a very interesting time. Things are, things are changing, but people used to get, you know, people still do get put in prison for, for that type of thing. Luckily, I was, it was before I was 18. So when I got out, I mean, there, I was young young man, you know, even as a boy locked up, it was like, [00:07:00] you know, your freedom is everything. So when I got out, I had my last year senior high school and, uh, I just really enjoy my life. And then when I got into college, I really enjoyed all that as well. And, you know, just being, just having my freedom. So, and then what was the next question that you asked?

Speaker 2: So the account, so how you got Wilamena, you ended up in Milan modeling for Versace, and I know a lot of your health background that you've at least talked about and other podcasts and such, and in fear of [00:07:30] going over that I don't, I don't want to, uh, you know, oversaturate necessarily that, but like, tell me what your next move was. Did you leave a Milan and end up in the Amazon?

Speaker 3: Oh, no. So what happened was, um, so I was in San Diego. I was going to school down there, started bottling, moved up to Los Angeles, realized that I had to go to Milan to really make a career for myself as a male model. And about four months later, I left there and this is [00:08:00] 1989. And then I used to have digestive problems. And so, and I would bloat and I would gain a lot of water weight. I get really puffy. And the agents were like, oh honey, you're fat. You know? And, uh, and I didn't know what was going on with my body, but I felt like. And I was just like, so I went down to the, the American bookstore and got books on, um, whatever nutrition I could find health and healing. And I started reading about food and lo and behold captain crunch and pop charts, [00:08:30] wasn't real food.

Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, who knew? You know, I'm just, I'm just an American. I grew up on TV dinners and all sorts of sugar cereals. And so, uh, so just right there, you know, eating whole foods, whole fruits and vegetables, you know, whole foods that was a brand new principal for me instantly. I started, you know, my digestive track would start gurgling and, uh, I would clean out and I'd be like, wow, just eating fruits and vegetables, you know, you know, like, uh, you know, [00:09:00] a masterpiece I'm feeling like a champ. And I was like, wow. And then I kept reading the literature and I learned about fasting and herbs and internal purification. And I came back to the states and I bought a juicer. And then I did my first 10 day juice cleanse and looked and felt amazing. And there I was, I was only in my mid twenties, you know, early twenties, mid twenties, but I was also partying too.

Speaker 3: I was still out drinking and stuff. And so instantly when I applied a 10 day [00:09:30] juice cleanse and look myself in the mirror, you know, you looked amazing. My eyes would sparkle. My skin was looked amazing. And so I was hooked right there in the beginning. And for the past 30 years, I practice some form of fasting, cleanse and detox at least three to four times a year, whether it's a liver flush a dry, fast, or water, fast juice, fast, you know, three to four times a year for the last 10 years. Uh, last 30 years, you know, the proof is in the pudding and now the science [00:10:00] is starting to catch up with it. I saw it on Joe Rogan, couple of longevity experts, you know, fasting is the key to longevity period. And so whether it's, uh, there's many way is to fast as many ways as cat.

Speaker 3: So you can do intermittent fasting, dry fasting, juice, fasting, you know, there's many different I like to do even calorie restricted. And some people say anything that goes through the liver is not fasting. And what I've learned in this industry is everyone has their own approach. You got to find out what is going to uniquely [00:10:30] work with work for you in the present moment, because it may not work 10 years down the road. And so, so I got, that's how I got into health and nutrition. I S I kept on modeling for many years, and then I was partying like a rockstar. It was a four time Versace model. I was traveling all around the world, um, and, uh, and drugs and alcohol are free and there's lots of women and, and, you know, fun times, party times. And I had a great time, but eventually, you know, that stuff was short-lived.

Speaker 3: [00:11:00] And I was just like, I got to sober up my lifestyle. And, uh, so I started meditating, took me about four and a half years to sober up literally. And then eventually I found my way to meditation. I started studying with Sango Lanka. I did, uh, I did, uh, for, uh, uh, I did 11 courses of, uh, um, silent meditation. So there 10 day courses of silent meditation. I did 11 of those in six years, and that rewired [00:11:30] my nervous system. And then from there, I started working with Maori healers kind of at the same time. So in, in Los Angeles, the city of angels, I found a lot of healing here. And I started working with the healing community, and I found the Maori healers, these New Zealand shaman that do bodywork. And I, I witnessed many miracles and had my own miracles. And so I worked with them for the last two years.

Speaker 3: And then soon after that, maybe five or six years after I started meditating, somebody turned me onto this herbal company [00:12:00] from the Amazon rainforest. And I already had a background in herbal medicine and was using herbs all the time. And, uh, these herbs just took my consciousness to a whole different level. And I started working with this company and I started getting paid in the health and wellness industry as well. And then I started working in the Amazon with the shaman that people, sham and drinking. The Iowasca had a huge awakening, uh, had had three powerful visions, came out of the jungle. YouTube was a brand new reality. And I started sharing these messages on [00:12:30] YouTube. And so from there, you know, that's pretty much brings you up to, you know, full speed now. And then I've got for the last 13 years since then, I've just been sharing everything that I've learned and, and known for and practice for the past 30 years, uh, on the YouTube, on the Instagram and the Facebook.

Speaker 2: Yeah. That's an amazing journey and a undoubtedly lots of ups and downs. And I'm excited to talk to you about the Iowasca experience, particularly how it informed [00:13:00] your parenting and your relationships. And, uh, but first I'll ask you, at what point along the way were you introduced to a family life?

Speaker 3: Well, I was in the Amazon in 2006, and I think w was, I was about four 40. I was about 40 or 41 and it was 40. And so the children down there, the, the energy down there just being in the tropics and being in the jungle, people are so open [00:13:30] they're essential. And, you know, there is, there's many children on the street there at the edge of the river there's restaurants and stuff, and a lot of kids begging and, you know, shoe shining and stuff like that, you know, to get money. And then I just remember these, the, the little girls, and they couldn't have been more than like from two to like four or five. And they were so precious, so open and vulnerable, and I thought, oh my God, that's so beautiful [00:14:00] because in America, you know, everybody's got their kids a little shrouded up and then they're moving them into the soccer mom van and out and in and out.

Speaker 3: And it's just a different energy. It's a completely different energy. And, you know, here I am sitting on the Malecon of the river, eaten at a restaurant, and I've got all these beautiful children around me, and it really touched my heart. And, um, and even the boys at one time, I went and bought, [00:14:30] you know, I was buying them dinners and the dinners were only, you know, 50 cents a piece. Let me tell ya, you still run out of money eventually. You know? And so I was buying them sneakers and stuff, and it's like an empty bucket. And, uh, but I was so just enamored with just the children in general. And I thought, how innocent and, uh, beautiful, uh, especially the little girls there was this really something special about the little girls. Then my [00:15:00] intention touching down in the Amazon was to open up my heart and to connect with the divine feminine in all of its facets.

Speaker 3: And so, you know, I connected with, you know, quite a few women down there, I drank the Iowasca, which is known as the grandmother, you know, you're in the heart of, uh, the rain forest, which is mother earth. There was so many aspects that I connected with in, with the divine feminine. And so [00:15:30] my, my intentions, my prayers were answered. And one of my first ceremonies a vision came to me and it was the spirit of my daughter. And I wasn't in a relationship. I wasn't married. I, I, you know, I even, I haven't really contemplated about it. I hadn't really given it some serious thought. I thought, you know, eventually I'll have children, but I was also 40, you know, and it was just like, all right, when, you know, and then I came, I [00:16:00] came home from that experience and I go, you know, they say, you're never ready.

Speaker 3: And I think I was just about as ready. And so I started interviewing women, Hey, is it you? Is it, you know, this is LA, this is Los Angeles. So people are like, uh, yeah, no, buddy, that's not me. You know? Um, I'm clear on that. And then a girl that I wasn't even really that interested in for a long-term relationship, we actually, you know, had a really good friendship and, uh, and that just blossomed. [00:16:30] And she was a Korean national, and she had problems with her visa. And so I just said, you know, Hey, look, I'll, I'll, you know, I'll get married. I don't even really believe in marriage in the first place. So I'll just marry you. And then, and then we fell in love and, and had children. And it was such a beautiful experience. And again, I don't believe in marriage.

Speaker 3: It's not like, I think there's there's covenants that are important, but as far as the paperwork and the way the society is set up, I see the pitfall behind that, the trap on so [00:17:00] many different levels. Do I, do I see it because once hits the fan, then it's all this legal ease. And here's your, you know, red carpet of, you know, you can either get back at this person or get that, or, you know, hire these attorneys. It's just a big game. And when I got divorced, you know, um, I told my wife, I said, I said, no paperwork and, and, and no courts, and that's it. You won't find me in a courtroom. And so, and she honored that and it's been, it's been [00:17:30] a beautiful experience, are in fact our relationship is still going. I mean, anybody thinks they're going to be divorced and that's going to be it, especially with kids. That's when the party starts, you have one choice, you can either rise up spiritually and, and, and get over your stuff. Or you can continue to walk through hell. And, and I was just like, I have a, I've had enough of hell. I was like, you know what, where's my part [00:18:00] in this and how can I do better?

Speaker 2: Yeah. So what would you life look like when your first a child was born? Had you started your online career, uh, aspect of your career at that time?

Speaker 3: Yes. It had already begun. So he was born in 2007. I dropped my first YouTube video, 2006, late 2006, and I was posting stuff. And then I think some of my Iowasca stuff started to get attention. [00:18:30] So I went pretty niche without even trying to go niche. I was just natural medicine or health and consciousness, which is very broad. And then I covered Iowasca and the Amazon, and that got some attention. And then, cause there was only a handful of people doing Iowasca back then. And then we had natural childbirth, uh, in my living room, I delivered my son and that got, you know, millions of views right off the bat.

Speaker 2: So [00:19:00] that is recorded and on YouTube right now.

Speaker 3: Yes. Oh, that's hard. I'm fine. They keep changing the algorithms, but you would have to go on to my channel and then scroll back to either my most popular videos or, uh, the history of my videos, my first videos first. Uh, it's really hard to find some of, even my own stuff on YouTube. And it makes sense because there's what billions or

Speaker 2: On told him yet. So [00:19:30] how how'd seeing that your son's head crowning like impact you, did it, was it an inflection point in your life?

Speaker 3: Yeah. It's funny that you ask that question and this is not the typical question that I get Tyler and I'm grateful. I'm grateful that you asked that because it was an abstract concept before the crowning, it was still like, oh, I'm going to be a dad, but you know, it's, it's not really a reality [00:20:00] until the crowning. And then when the crowning came out and you guys can watch this video, it's on my YouTube channel. When then when he came out, you know, it was a reality. It went from an idea to a reality because again, her body's not my body, so I wasn't going through the whole process. I was only witnessing it. And it was still conceptually an idea as opposed to a reality. And it was wasn't until the crowning. And that's actually, when [00:20:30] I first touched his head and I was like, oh man, I was like, I didn't want to laugh, cry or run or, yeah, I was like, it's coming. And so, and I was just, I was just so happy and you see that video, he looks like little alien to, and uh, you know, there he was, and he had a double nuchal too. We had a midwife and a God, she was a champion. She didn't even blink an eye, you know, no stress or anything. [00:21:00] She just unwrapped the cord around his neck. And uh, and he came out and he was healthy and, uh, it was, it was a beautiful experience all the way around.

Speaker 2: Yeah. My, actually my sister who would adore you and vice-versa, I think just had a baby on the first, a week ago, uh, had a midwife, tried to do the water birth, everything went sideways. She just got out of bed for the second time yesterday. There's pretty traumatic experience, but she's one of the toughest people [00:21:30] I know. And it was a really opened my eyes to my sister's capacity besides the point. But I wonder how

Speaker 3: That's actually a good point because, you know, just because you go natural childbirth, doesn't, you know, emergency medicine is handy and a pinch, my daughter ended up in the hospital and natural childbirth is a beautiful experience, but listen, anything can happen and the baby's going to come out when it wants to come out and it's, it's complete spiritual experience. You can't manipulate [00:22:00] it at all. And so,

Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I saw her today. She's got this beautiful little red headed girl, but I'm very thankful for the, uh, her ability to go to the hospital. Cause you know, it wasn't a couple of decades ago that she might not have made it. So it's, it's a special time to be alive where we're going back to, you know, you feel bad, eat this route and just in case you can go to the hospital. But, uh, so [00:22:30] Troy is your son. How did your life change now that you've got a new person, a new entity in your life?

Speaker 3: You know, I don't, I don't, I don't want to put things into overly simplistic terms, but I guess what's coming to me right now is maybe I was just living my own little selfless, selfish [00:23:00] existence. And I don't use selfish. Like most people do in our society isn't as a negative term because I think we're all selfish and those that are not taking care of themselves first and foremost are actually a burden on others. Act if they're acting selfless or acting like a martyr and everyone should give them attention for being the martyr. You know, that is that, that is, that is, that is not being selfless ultimately. So I would just have to say that there was a certain level. I was living [00:23:30] my own little selfish life, my own personal existence, really just paying attention to myself. And now I have a, you know, a young human being and um, and I guess the Dell, the depth and level of falling in love with something outside of yourself that that was new.

Speaker 3: It was almost like Christmas every single day. You know, you know, you get your little, your little present and, uh, [00:24:00] and I just cherished it. You know, I was just like, you know, I've always been an entrepreneurs work for myself. So I, I, you know, I put them in the little, the little sack and I just went off on my day and continued to be myself and, and, uh, and he was just a part of it. So I would just say, uh, it went from being, is it selfish? Self-absorbed not, not that I'm some kind of narcissistic egomaniac or anything, but [00:24:30] I think we all, we all have our, you know, we're all living in our own bag of skin. So, but, but I finally had, you know, something outside of myself to Pitt pay more attention to, and, and, and, and love as deeply as I love myself. There you go.

Speaker 2: And I tell people who haven't had kids yet that are pregnant. Maybe that whatever emotion that you have does not compare to the depth of the emotion that you can have after you've had a kid, you can be more scared. You can love deeper, you can [00:25:00] have more patients or whatever it is. They just expand everything about you. So as an entrepreneur with a new baby and eventually a daughter as well from a practical standpoint and running your own business, did you have to make a lot of adjustments in how you ran certified health nut and your related businesses?

Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the first things, I mean, I'm an artist by trade and as much as I try and put structure into my business, [00:25:30] I'm just an artist, you know, and it's like, you know, how do you, how do you, how do you corner Picasso or, you know, Jimmy Hendrix and, you know, how do you make them make them do their thing? You know, you don't has to be inspirational. And so more, I get stuck in confines that more challenging. Now that doesn't mean that I don't set intention in clear goals and, and, and work towards, you know, bigger and better outcomes. So, um, so that's [00:26:00] for sure. Um, so I've been kind of, you know, shotgun approach, like an artist, just making, making my, my, my content, making my creations, uh, and then monetizing that is two separate businesses, right? There's your art. And then there's monetizing that. So those are very two separate things and, and, and I'm good. I'm decent at both, but I'm definitely better at my art and, and [00:26:30] the business can sometimes drive me cuckoo. So I've learned how to let that go and attract others that are, that are, that are adept at doing that. Um, but, uh, to answer your question specifically, um, ask the question again.

Speaker 2: Okay. Were there any practical changes that you made? Yeah,

Speaker 3: My sleep. So I was kidding myself and at this level of my education, I hadn't [00:27:00] studied that much circadian rhythms and sleep hygiene, and I was exhausted and the sleep deprivation and the, the, you know, the little movements at night that just wake you up and, uh, you know, or three months into it, you know, the, the, the crying fit or, or, or you helping your, your, your, your spouse, uh, [00:27:30] get the baby. Cause she's exhausted. You know, it's just this, this whole wheel of exhaustion. And I started studying with Paul check at the Chek Institute at the time and his whole thing on sleep and sleep hygiene. I was just like, all right, here's the science, you can't really get away from that biologically. So boom, 10:00 PM is my target. And that changed my life because I was, uh, I was doing emails and editing till like one or two o'clock in the morning when everybody's [00:28:00] asleep. And I was trying to get some work done on an interrupted because as you know, as an artist or a digital nomad, you know, focus is everything. It takes 20 minutes to refocus the human mind with the amount of interruptions does I've had for the last 10 years, man, it's surprising I've gotten anything done.

Speaker 3: And, and so, and just that refocusing on the mind that it's, you know, thinking is catabolic. And so, uh, this, uh, it takes a lot of energy [00:28:30] to do that. And so, um, so, so that made sense. So as soon as I started getting bed at 10, you know, my health started to improve, my energy started to improve. And so I would say sleep right there. Most important thing we've got to understand as parents

Speaker 2: That is huge. Um, I just started measuring my sleep and the quality of it, and just the nature of measuring it is impacted my desire to have a better sleep. And I can tell you, I feel health a lot better when I'm well slept [00:29:00] and I'm better to my kids and my business when I'm well slept.

Speaker 3: Um, correct. And this is the essence of what I do and in holistic health, a lot of it has to do with maintaining my own, um, uh, equilibrium and balance with inside of myself. So I can be a better father, better husband, a better, you know, more balanced human beings. You know, basically I have my own trauma and my own mental and emotional issues. [00:29:30] And if I don't maintain myself, biochemically, psychologically and physiology physiologically, and I'm an and I don't like being an, it's not, it's not my true heart. And all my studies and practices really revolve around just calming my nervous system and being as, uh, um, uh, balanced as possible. So

Speaker 2: Two parents who, um, are kind of new to the concept of, [00:30:00] I don't know, being self-aware and, and healthy. I get the feeling, I know what your answer's going to be, but I want to hear it from you. Like what is a very first step that a parent who's, you know, uh, disorganized to can take to be more mindful, healthier? Uh,

Speaker 3: Well, I think first and foremost, I think it's very important that everyone studied glyphosate and understand [00:30:30] that your food's been poisoned just first and foremost, demystify it for yourself. Don't make nutrition because nutrition is the one input that you're doing every single day. Yeah. So demystifying nutrition, first and foremost, once you start going down that rabbit hole, you, you realize, oh, the government and these businesses, they don't have my best interests at hand. They're not going to have my baby's best interests at hand. And so while the money and just understand that, you know, [00:31:00] uh, agribusiness, pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, weapon manufacturers, media, these are the dominant industries that control thought and control commerce. And so we have to understand this at a very high level, if you're going to be, you know, what I teach my men in my men's group is, you know, uh, the true warrior or, or the definition of, of a man in a tribe, he understands what's to eat on the horizon [00:31:30] and what potentially might eat him.

Speaker 3: We're aware of what's happening, but we don't live in that world. Although we still have those biochemical instincts and those primal urges inside of us, we're 200 years past the industrial age. A lot of things on the terrain have changed. Then you add to that propaganda, everything that Hitler used and then was co-opted and adopted into our CIA. You start to realize the human mind has been programmed [00:32:00] programmed against our primal instincts. So you start to take away all the mainstream things and you get back to nature as, as, as best as possible. Natural circadian rhythms, 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM, lots of research done on that. It's just rising and falling of the celestial, the celestial bodies, the moon, and the sun, your hormones are pegged to that, understanding that about, you know, hormone health, um, understanding, you know, how food works [00:32:30] and, and what has happened to the food supply.

Speaker 3: And that's not even getting into the chemical toxicity from burning fossil to rubber or synthetic rubber on tires that wears out and goes into dust. And we're all breathing that in. That's just two small things. They're out there in the environment. We're not even starting to talk about electromagnetic, radiation and pollution. So there are many, many things affecting the biochemistry, the [00:33:00] physiology, and the psychology of human beings that are unseen, unseen stressors, big strikes against you because the oldest trick in the book is divide and conquer. So when men and women start having trouble or energy, you know, there's energy problems, or even if there's money problems, what happens is instead of banding together and getting with the tribe, we also didn't have grandparents around watch the children for us. So we were completely exhausted [00:33:30] when we got sick or underneath the weather. That was it.

Speaker 3: You, you have yourself to survive. And so if you have, uh, immediate family in the area and they're helping you thank God for that, because that will break a human being down. And when the stress has come out between the man and women, instead of getting together, they fight amongst each other. This is classic divide and conquer. And [00:34:00] so going into your marriage, going into this, all understanding, I think is very, very important because there are going to be major stresses, major challenges that come up. This is part of the spiritual life. This is what you're here to do to go through. And having children is just another echelon of your own spiritual development, or like you said, you know, everything gets magnified, uh, through the love of the child. [00:34:30] Um, and perfect example is my patients, man, the amount of patients I've been able to build in 12 years, I could have never done that as a single individual.

Speaker 3: So, uh, so these are some of the pitfalls and traps that I highly recommend. People become aware of. You know, you don't need to turn it into a conspiracy or anything, you know, look at just the way businesses run, really understanding the terrain, especially if you're a man really understanding the train on how things are run, not just taking [00:35:00] everything at face value, you know, pumping gasoline into your car. Where does that come from using paper currency? Where does that come from? You know, why do they bail out the banks after, you know, they took away my mother's house. Like what's behind all this stuff. So really understanding it, not to the go down the rabbit hole, but just at least to navigate it to some degree, then set your intention from your heart's desire to create something different, something beautiful, [00:35:30] something to call forth.

Speaker 3: And so what, what I am doing with my men's work right now is look, my little holistic lifestyle is all for not the, the, if I, if I don't do something in this world, let's just put it this way. The health is six. When I started certified health nut, we're 62% obesity rate and like 20 something diabetes rate and the cancer rate, wasn't one [00:36:00] and two, which it is now. So statistically we're at 70% obesity or overweight right now that's almost 10% in about 10 years. That's exponential growth. 70% is close to a hundred percent. If I don't do something, I'm going to become a health statistic. It's truly up to me, you know, to make a difference. I understand and not to mention [00:36:30] about making the world a better place. My wife is really concerned about me putting food on the table for the kids right now.

Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. Right. I'm cool with that. I know that's part of my duty, but my big picture stuff as a man is I see this on the horizon. If I'm not doing something for my kids, uh, for my own expression, my genetic expression, then basically when my kids are older, you know, hell fire is basically, what's going [00:37:00] to be, you know, we're going to be walking through hell fire on this planet. And I've already seen the vision in 2006. Humanity makes it, we pull a rabbit out of a hat and heal our problems, solve our problems.

Speaker 3: We know we had black mold exposure in one of our homes right after my daughter came. And, uh, [00:37:30] I got serious compromise, you know, upper respiratory infections and I've healed almost a hundred percent, but boy, when I get a little cold or something comes down the pipeline I get hit and it affects my whole body. I had full blown auto-immune, uh, issues. I had intermuscular pain. I had, uh, complete chronic fatigue, five, six days having to rest in bed. And so I'm recovering some from something right now. And, and um, I [00:38:00] wish it was a lot easier to just not have to recover, but you know, um, this has to do with what we've done to this planet. I can also feel the wifi, the wifi affects me and I, you know, I'm running my business on that too. So being aware is I think very important.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I've, I've got a significant shopping cart full on blue shield right now. So I can go get some of that Tesla, Taki EMF blocker of course, got the [00:38:30] blue light going right now. Um, but man, you went over so much awesome stuff that I wish we had six hours to unpack. Um, but I'll just, I'll just pay him one thing and then jump into something else. Uh, the first talking about glycine Fe, are you familiar with Jesse Itzler?

Speaker 3: Uh, yes. I, uh, he's been on Joe Rogan. I don't know him personally, but I do know who he is.

Speaker 2: I had the tremendous fortune of getting to talk with him on this podcast and he [00:39:00] is currently shooting a documentary about the way these large corporations are targeting children and just shoving trash into their face specifically cereal. So it might be of interest to you to pay attention to and, uh, help, you know, promote that message. Um, but programming of the mind, uh, and education, I want to ask you how you intend to educate or continue educating your children, how they've been educated. [00:39:30] And if, if you could, if you could, how would you change it? Okay.

Speaker 3: So, uh, um, my children go to a Steiner school, Rudolph Rudolph Steiner was a living master in my humble opinion. Uh, he discovered or developed, uh, biodynamic farming, which is the highest level of organics. It's the diameter certification. Um, Francis Ford Coppola, I think has a winery that's [inaudible] certified. So biodynamic is just the highest level of organics. [00:40:00] And, uh, he developed the Waldorf school system and he also developed his own, uh, uh, medicine system anthroposophy. And so, uh, and my mentor, Paul Chek is a big Steiner guy and, uh, it just made so much sense. We did an interview, we went down to the school, uh, they treat the child as a spiritual being, coming into the physical realm, uh, brain development. Um, you know, the first, uh, 11 years, I think, uh, it's, it's really a huge [00:40:30] window for the left brain, you know, the right brain creative, um, imagination centers of the brain.

Speaker 3: And once those get, you know, shut down or stifled, that's kind of, it, there's a real open, you know, window for that. And, um, whether you adopt the philosophy or not, I'm seeing the results, there's a zero media policy in the school. So the kids, you know, their, their neck, isn't all craned into the data ports, you know, as a father, [00:41:00] you know, I'm connected to the data ports, you know, and when my kids are around, they're not allowed on them. So I have to be more mindful and stay off them as much as possible and, and, and get engaged. And the Waldorf school, they also use natural fibers, so we'll and silk and wood. And so they get a real tactile sense of the natural world and they study many abstract things viscerally, so planting food. So by the time they go in, [00:41:30] later on and study these abstractly through science in textbooks, they'll have already had a visceral experience of planting a seed and, and it growing in soil, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3: And so there's many levels of the teaching and the Waldorf school system teaches the children how to think, not what to think. And so, and it's pretty awesome. The development, they study all the art and how to draw, and they actually [00:42:00] develop their own, their own textbooks. So they get all the materials, they bind them, they draw the pictures, they study the concepts and then they draw the pictures. So for example, you're studying MLK and it's great speech, you know, they'll, they'll do a portrait of him. He'll write his speech down. Maybe some of the class they get up and, and, and, and they'll speak it. They do a lot of theater there as well. Not a lot, but I think like each year they do one [00:42:30] theater piece. I know that it's just a very beautiful engaging school. And again, it's not about what to think.

Speaker 3: It's about how to think. And, and then what are my results, right? Because this is all theory. So when I'm out in the public, what consistently gets said is that your children are amazing. They are intelligent, they're engaged, they're present. Your children are the most interesting, uh, humans I've met in a long time. Your [00:43:00] children are intelligent. Your children are beautiful. Your children are smart. This is consistently, and they're engaging with the adult populace. And so there is no kind of like adult kid kind of play thing going on. Like my kids are very engaging. And so, and those are my results. Those are bragging rights. The saying, I'm raising little humans. You know what I'm saying? I'm not raising kids and children. These things are high spiritual beings that have come in from the spiritual [00:43:30] plane. I don't want to dumb them down. And so, so the Waldorf school system does that.

Speaker 3: If this vaccination thing gets out of hand where they force vaccination, I've done massive amounts of research on vaccination. There's no way that I am going to put those harmful toxic substance is biochemistry into their bloodstream. I have done my research extensively to the point where I've researched that there's, uh, [00:44:00] there's, uh, you can go on the government website. It is extremely hard to Sue the government to pay for a vaccine injured child. Yet $4 billion has been paid out not to mention it is the only industry where a manufacturer is exempt for its liability of the products. That is a conflict of interest. That is a huge red flag. What industry does not [00:44:30] allow the manufacturer of their products to be liable for any kind of damage caused by their products. This is crew collusion and corruption at its highest and finest. And I'm not saying vaccines may or may work.

Speaker 3: They might have some validity. However, I have seen no proof on their efficacy or their safety, the way they do a lot of these studies and the way they release a lot of the propaganda [00:45:00] that has no ballast in reality, as far as scientific fact. And so I encourage everyone out there listening to this that may have contention with what I'm saying, to read Suzanne Humphreys, destroying illusions, to watch and follow the career of Robert Kennedy Jr. Watch what he says in his speeches. Really understand that. And if you don't want a brain damaged child or an autistic child, and remember [00:45:30] the CDC whistleblower William Thompson came out in 2014 saying that they buried 10,000 pages of documents showing a 236% increase in African-American boys with auth for autism after they were injected with the MMR vaccine from Merck, which Merck is in court right now being sued on many different levels. So with all this controversy, [00:46:00] my intuition was like, whoa, whoa, wait a second, dude. Isn't there. Like, do I trust in God? Did God create an immune system? Uh, and, and, and, and maybe I just need to trust that. And I'm cool with that. And you know what? Death is a part of life. And if something tragic happens to my children, Hey, there's their spiritual path. Okay. And they'll have to live that, but do I need to inflict that upon them?

Speaker 2: So my, my wife and I are having [00:46:30] that conversation now, and I want, did you, were you and your, uh, kids, mom on the same page with that, was that a conversation you guys had to have or hash out, or was it just like you both knew and it was done?

Speaker 3: Uh, well, I did my research and then she started getting caught up in the, uh, panic and fear of the other women in the neighborhood. And we go to a private school and a lot of intelligent, wealthy, you know, [00:47:00] uh, entertainment people are in there. They, a lot of them have done their research. In fact, our kids are in school with, uh, the, the one Cosby kid. She was on the Phil Donahue show years ago. You can find those clips talked about, uh, all the time. And she made some really fundamental, common sense points back then. This was 20, 30 years ago. So, you know, there's already a lot of consciousness like that, uh, at, at, at the school and look at vaccines [00:47:30] work, we're already at herd immunity. I think we're 97% vaccinated population. So if they work, what's the problem. If a handful of people though, that doesn't want to be vaccinated, herd immunity is already reached.

Speaker 3: And so, uh, I'm just trying to sidestep some serious brain damage in the way I see it is, is, you know, I see the difference between my children and other children out there. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's literally night and day. I see it down. I take my kids down [00:48:00] to muscle beach. I take the, I take them, you know, even the development, the gross motor skills to the fine motor skills. You know, my kids are learning needlepoint, knitting, and they're, they're learning how to play on the monkey bars. And, and early on, when we first started taking my son to school, he didn't have the gross motor skills. We started researching that, uh, and the teachers always just get them out there and play climbing trees and stuff. And now that we're on the monkey bars down at muscle beach, [00:48:30] no kids roll up on them all the time. And I it's funny cause the kids are like, eh, they don't have the skills. And these, I mean, these are children. I was a kid man jumped plan and myself and, you know, I got, I got into accidents on the monkey bars and stuff and you know, we're playing, we're playing football on the weekends. You know, we're doing all sorts of stuff. I just don't see that anymore. And you know, as above so below, [00:49:00] so our physicality is directly related to our mentality.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm a huge Yuto Portel fan. I've been trying to follow his program for about 18 weeks. And I, he talks about opening different containers in the body. In mind, people try to separate them. And I find that the new movements introduced new thoughts and I feel the same way and apply the same practice to your kid,

Speaker 3: Full integration. Well, the thing is the kids, they don't need that much. The teaching they're animals, they're wild [00:49:30] animals. Just put them out into the nature and they're going to figure it out for themselves. I learned this early on, you sit them in a, in a four corner room and, and there's, Wi-Fi on in there eventually, you know, there's all toxic smells coming off the furniture and everything. Eventually they're going to start throwing things against the window and like fighting against each other. So I realized early on you just take them out of the house. You put them in the park and they will play with sticks and rocks and sand for hours and hours [00:50:00] and hours and hours and hours, no complaints, nothing. So nature heals, everything is one of my main principles that I teach. I promote and I've definitely witnessed with my children. And so, but, you know, look, I'm a domesticated animal as well. I'm sitting at this desk at my office right now and, and, uh, with August come August. So I'm going out for at least a month of camping. Oh great.

Speaker 2: Um, I'm definitely of that. I guess I managed 48 hours alone, [00:50:30] six pages of, uh, journals. I read two books and it was amazing experience. I can only imagine what a month would do. Uh, but I want to ask you going back a little bit, like it kind of all comes together about education and you know, the teachers have their hands on your kids at school. What about when they're outside of school? Like part of a parent's job is I guess, to keep their kids in their lane to some extent, or to get out of the way. So I'm talking about discipline, um, for lack [00:51:00] of a better term, I haven't come up with like, when your kids are behaving in a way that you feel like isn't to their benefit, how do you help bring them back or center them? Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think we're, excuse me. I think we're all doing the best we can. And now I'm a bit of an authoritative. My, I think my ex-wife is more permissive and I see, I see the pitfalls with both of them. Um, it's, it's kind of just my energy. I, I [00:51:30] don't always have the perfect words. I see the Waldorf teachers Boyle, boy, they'll get the kids to do anything. They'll sing a song and you know, I'll walk in after school. And my son's like sweeping up the floor with a smile on his face. I'm like what I'm like. And as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, you do clean the house. You do know how to clean. Okay. So then it's just trying to figure out, you know, how to say that. And then kids are super intelligent. They're [00:52:00] gonna, they're gonna try and get away with whatever they can get away with or manipulate or manipulate the energy.

Speaker 3: Right. Cause it's all about the energy. So if they know I get a little aggravated because the house is, is, is messed up and they play with that energy. They make excuses or whatever the mother will allow them to get away with it. They'll, they'll try and do it with me, which really gets underneath my skin, which is one of the main reasons why we got divorced because our parenting styles were so separate. And I couldn't handle, uh, the discipline aspect because I played Mr. Mom, [00:52:30] um, you know, we're both working. Her business is doing good. My, my business is doing good. My business goes down. You know, actually my business was doing really well and she quit her, uh, business. Uh, when we had my first child, after the second child came, she went back. And, uh, so how do I handle, uh, with, with, with my kids and parenting? Well, first of all, we're divorced now. So in my house, um, basically the way I [00:53:00] see it is I cooked and cleaned for 10 years. So now I don't care whether I made the master it's with us together or not. You clean the house period. So you do the dishes, um, you sweep the floor, you do whatever you can. I don't care what it is, but do something and, uh, and, um, figure and duties out and, and just assigning them, uh, as they come kind of a shotgun approach,

Speaker 2: Pushed back. How do you handle that

Speaker 3: When they push back then? Because they all always [00:53:30] want certain things. So they don't get that. Yeah. They get a heavy, heavy dose of tough. So, and the way I teach them and I love administering a heavy dose of tough, because guess what? As soon as me got into the real world and how much tough is out there, couldn't

Speaker 2: Agree more. Couldn't agree more. I mean, it's,

Speaker 3: It's potentially around every corner. My methodology is, keep them close to me. No nanny, [00:54:00] no, no, no babysitters. I want all the glory. I want all the glory. So cause, cause, cause we already, we already heard about the terrible teens and all this stuff and sex, drugs and rock and roll. Hey, it's common. So when that comes down the pipeline, I want to, I want them to know and recognize they can come to dad at anytime for anything and I'll be right here. No problem. And I want them as close to me, vibrationally [00:54:30] close to my heart as physically possible. That's my whole strategy.

Speaker 2: So I'll say Yesod guru said if your hands aren't on your kids, somebody else's will be. Um, so I want to ask you two questions, uh, because I want to jam it in be sensitive to your time. And then I want to get to like the quick short answers, but, uh, the, I want to ask you about mantra next, but the first thing I wanna ask you is about psychedelic experiences. Um, I've never had one, but I'm curious to know [00:55:00] how you would kind of, uh, you know, give a briefing on what that's like and if it did, how a psychedelic experience informed your parenting

Speaker 3: Informs. Right? So Paul Stamets is saying that psychedelics mushrooms specifically is creating neuroplasticity. So it's actually opening up new pathways so you can think differently and feel differently and operate differently. [00:55:30] And so, and I have used, uh, psilocybin mushrooms as nutrition for many, many, many years microdosing, um, et cetera, megadosing for spiritual, uh, clearing, clearing out my own, uh, anger and trauma patterns, um, long history of that, you know, in, in, in, in my life. And, and, uh, I'm always working to better myself. So I've done, I've done deep dives with megadosing and then, um, [00:56:00] really just using, utilizing it as brain food, uh, with microdosing, with the Iowasca Iowasca, it's just a very powerful spiritual plant. Um, it is here to heal humanity. Um, it, uh, is going to penetrate the, the liver, the gallbladder, the intestines, but more importantly, the nervous system where we hold our beliefs.

Speaker 3: And so of our beliefs are not even ours and they can be holding us back on unconscious and subconscious levels that show up as [00:56:30] self-sabotage behavior. And so psychedelics are a tool. Terence McKenna wrote a book called food of the gods. You know, I recommend reading that if you want to read another scientific document, read Rick Strassman's DMT the spirit molecule to really understand the power of these natural medicines that have walked the face of the planet, the planet for since the beginning of time, my mentor in the Amazon said, when things go haywire in the world [00:57:00] as they are today, man goes back to the origins and these are our original foods, our original medicines

Speaker 2: Love, it, adds to those, those experiences. So is it fair to, I hate to try to rephrase what you said and put words into your mouth, but is it fair to suggest that those experiences open your minds up that to make you a better person, which makes you by default a better parent?

Speaker 3: Absolutely. [00:57:30] A hundred percent, because if I just, if I did no spiritual work and just stuck into, you know, what's our religion today, our religion is capitalism. It's not even pure capitalism, unfettered capitalism. It is crony capitalism. So we're dealing with basic socialism, right? So that's the world that we live in and what, you know, our religion is PA you know, paying homage and, uh, to this capitalistic structure. Uh, so basically my religion [00:58:00] as a man would just be, get to work and do more work. Uh, however, the psychedelics have helped me see other dimensions of how I can do honest, sacred work, uh, how I can do work. That's aligned with my values and my heart. Um, and I have committed to, instead of just checking out with so many family men that I know, and they just bring in money for the family, uh, my commitment, my soul commitment, [00:58:30] working with psychedelics time and time again as, uh, whether I fall on my face or not has, is to become the best father I can possibly become. And the best husband together are divorced. I can be calm. And in that at the time, even if I fall on my face,

Speaker 2: I love it. Tell me about mantra. What is mantra?

Speaker 3: Man? Tribe, uh, is a creation from [00:59:00] my partner. Uh, he really inspires me. He, uh, was a, uh, real estate developer, a real estate guy in, uh, in Manhattan, a kid from the Bronx crushed, the real estate market made tons of money. It was extremely unhappy overweight, uh, had all the checks in the fast cars and the, uh, houses, et cetera. And it was miserable. Started drinking. Iowasca woke up, went [00:59:30] down to the Amazon, met his wife, um, you know, walked away from the business world only to come back. Now, his wife, they just had a child. Um, and you know, now he's coming back into the business world with his open heart and he inspires me to keep my heart open. I'm quite a bit the warrior. Uh, and I, you know, I, I can be like mindset of just cutting through the fabric of reality.

Speaker 3: And then Alex always checks me, checks in and makes sure I has my heart, my heart open. Uh, [01:00:00] he wanted to bring all my certified health, nut technology, mindset, movement, and nutrition with the mindset we focus on purpose, dream and legacy, which I believe is the most important thing a man can have is a direction, a drive in life. And what I see and what I saw with myself early on, I didn't have direction. I didn't know who I am. I didn't know what my heart desired. So we spend a lot of time in our workshops or retreats, um, cultivating that purpose, dream [01:00:30] and legacy. I teach chigong and nutrition, a lot of yin replenishment, as opposed to yang beating the chest things that you need to know to, um, keep you well-nourished as a man, which is yin, which is part of the feminine. And so I teach a lot of chigong breath work and, uh, we do calorie restriction, intermittent fasting.

Speaker 2: Awesome. That's uh, that's at [inaudible] [01:01:00] I think it was at man dot tribe on Instagram. Um, I know I only got about 10 more minutes with you saw gum jump into, uh, uh, some, some short answers, but, um, I'm having a blast. I could keep you for the rest of the day. Um, so to, to come right off a mantra, what's, what's the role of a father,

Speaker 3: The role of a father? Um, I'm in the role of the, [01:01:30] I think that's an unlimited box to put a man in. I mean, it's basically, basically anything you can contribute out of your heart, to your family, to your tribe, to, you know, what is the role of a man? First of all, our work structures completely changed. So [01:02:00] the roles of men and women have ultimately changed, you can't even really define it. Yeah. I mean, I changed diapers, like no pro I took that on as a man, you know, let me help you with that woman, you know, oh, you're tired or I got this, you know, no problem. You know, that that's me beating my chest up and got this changed diapers. I take care of the kids. Right. [01:02:30] You know, I'll do whatever it takes. So you're not feeling well, or you have low energy or, you know, you need to go to the gym or you need to go take some time for yourself. I got this, no problem. I took that as a badge of honor, what I want to be with my kids a hundred percent of the time, like without even thinking of it, like it's not even a thing. And my kids, I want, I want all the glory, they are going to be teenagers. They're going to be gone eventually. And in the meantime, I want them with me at all times.

Speaker 2: [01:03:00] So what's, what's the greatest hope you have for your children?

Speaker 3: My greatest hope that I have for my children is that they create a life that they love and loves them back and they enjoy and experience life to the fullest extent. And they create from their heart's desire. That exactly thing that they want or [01:03:30] choose or see in their mind's eye.

Speaker 2: If we call our life here, a book cover to cover and about fatherhood, what chapter, what would be the name of the chapter that you're in right now as a father,

Speaker 3: The path to deeper spirituality.

Speaker 2: That's a big chapter. All right. Here's a, here's a softball. Um, who is one of your favorite fictional fathers, [01:04:00] TV, movies, books.

Speaker 3: I mean, I loved Al Bundy because he was such a funny guy. Actually, my kids go to school with him too, for their kids, you know, but there's also some, what's the massage tennis word for men when they treat men. It's just, they like downplaying men. You know, I, I, I don't like that the whole Homer Simpson thing, but even though it's [01:04:30] funny, you know, I just think that media has a big play on people and the Al Bundy type of, uh, I mean, I'm not even saying that I would want that guy. I just thought he was funny. I'm a role model for men fictional character, maybe, maybe, uh, the character in a dusty F skis, crime and punishment. Cause he was so honest with himself.

Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know the character, but I like [01:05:00] the reason billboard question, I got four questions. If you had a billboard in LA to give a piece of advice to all the dads out there, what would that billboard?

Speaker 3: So it would say hashtag ripped at 50 with me and my half naked body. Right.

Speaker 2: Oh, right. What's a gift that you would give to every single father.

Speaker 3: Well, I would say the gift of holistic health, which is mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual. You know, if I had to simplify [01:05:30] that even more, I would say 10:00 PM, bedtime, organic food.

Speaker 2: We've come full circle. Right. Second to last question. When do you feel the most loved?

Speaker 3: Probably when I'm alone and well fed and well rested and uh, kinda like today, you know, I took myself to the gym. I don't have the kids right now. Um, my house is clean. [01:06:00] I feel really good. And uh, yeah. So whenever I'm really, really taking care of myself. Yeah.

Speaker 2: And finally, in the event that this recording lasts forever generations to come generations of KC children and their children and their children. What's a message you'd share with your chain for the rest of the time.

Speaker 3: [01:06:30] Well, I would say that all knowledge is knowledge of self. So know that myself, I would say that a self-care and self-love is super important so that you can go out and, uh, affect the world around you, understanding how to take care of your, your, your human instrument, I think is very important. Forgiveness and understanding is, uh, at the cornerstone of your mental and emotional [01:07:00] health and your spiritual wellbeing. And so whoever you perceive to be wrong with work with your own perception and your own attitude and work with as much forgiveness and release of resentment and understanding as you possibly can and, uh, and have fun, man,

Speaker 2: That's the perfect way to wrap it up. Troy Casey certified health nut YouTube. Instagram is Troy, [01:07:30] right?

Speaker 3: You're not a certified health nut, Instagram. And, uh, yeah, I've got, uh, I dunno, my There's all sorts of stuff up there. Who knows where it's at right now? I got, I got some programs coming out. I got a stress management program ready to be rereleased I've got a breathing program. Um, and we're just going to start knocking them out one by one. I got a good team I'm working with right now, so I'm really happy. So we'll get a lot of stuff out for the people we've got live events. If you're in [01:08:00] LA, you can do personal retreats. One-on-one I have people fly in from all around the world to work with me. We've got the man trap coming up, uh, June, July 12th and 13th. And then we usually have at least one man tribal month, whether that's a workshop or a retreat. And

Speaker 2: So, uh, there's always something going on. That's so cool. I'm so grateful for your time. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences. And um, I hope all the dads out there got great ideas. I know I did. [01:08:30] And I'm super grateful for.

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